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Fareed Zakaria

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753 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

These are people who moved to Mozambique or Ghana to learn how to get water filtration systems in there. They're getting paid $60,000, $70,000 a year. They're not doing it for the money. They're not doing it for the glory. They're doing it because they believe that the United States can have a kind of positive impact on the world.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And to see the agency gutted, the funding pulled, and these people demeaned and demonized, called a criminal enterprise. It's so sad. You know, I grew up in India and I saw so much of the USAID funding, which was exactly the kind of stuff that Doge demonizes, which was to say, I mean, there was a program where they'd show old American movies in the U.S.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And to see the agency gutted, the funding pulled, and these people demeaned and demonized, called a criminal enterprise. It's so sad. You know, I grew up in India and I saw so much of the USAID funding, which was exactly the kind of stuff that Doge demonizes, which was to say, I mean, there was a program where they'd show old American movies in the U.S.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

consulate and a whole bunch of us would go there. And I remember, I mean, I went to, I saw It's a Wonderful Life and movies like that. And you know what? It made me fall in love with America.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

consulate and a whole bunch of us would go there. And I remember, I mean, I went to, I saw It's a Wonderful Life and movies like that. And you know what? It made me fall in love with America.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

I think that's always been America's great strength, which is that it's the Chinese who do these deals with an African country and with the dictator and say, you know, we'll build you a dam and in return for that, here's what we want. And by the way, you can take 10%. What American soft power has been, we let the world know who we are.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

I think that's always been America's great strength, which is that it's the Chinese who do these deals with an African country and with the dictator and say, you know, we'll build you a dam and in return for that, here's what we want. And by the way, you can take 10%. What American soft power has been, we let the world know who we are.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

We let the world know that we're a big, open, generous country. And some of that is funding plays and movies, and some of it is, and most of it is food and medicine. And it was always a matter of great pride to me that the United States did that. And it's very sad that it's, for now at least, gone away.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

We let the world know that we're a big, open, generous country. And some of that is funding plays and movies, and some of it is, and most of it is food and medicine. And it was always a matter of great pride to me that the United States did that. And it's very sad that it's, for now at least, gone away.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

You know, I think that one of the ironies here is that I do believe, as you do, that American aid was never entirely about geopolitics and geostrategy. Part of it, I think, came out of a kind of deep, high Protestant impulse of... Saving the world. And I think it is one of the central messages of Christianity that, you know, all human beings are equal in the eyes of God.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

You know, I think that one of the ironies here is that I do believe, as you do, that American aid was never entirely about geopolitics and geostrategy. Part of it, I think, came out of a kind of deep, high Protestant impulse of... Saving the world. And I think it is one of the central messages of Christianity that, you know, all human beings are equal in the eyes of God.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And, you know, it is incumbent on the rich to look after the poor. I mean, I've always been struck by the—if you read the Sermon on the Mount, if you read Paul's letter to the Galatians, it is—that's what Christianity is about. It's like, you know—

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And, you know, it is incumbent on the rich to look after the poor. I mean, I've always been struck by the—if you read the Sermon on the Mount, if you read Paul's letter to the Galatians, it is—that's what Christianity is about. It's like, you know—

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

Vance's version of it. Right, which to me is bizarre. And yet here you have this Christian administration neglecting what strikes me as the central tenets of Christianity, which are, you know, be nice to poor people, help people who are in need, the Good Samaritan, all that stuff. And this was our one expression of it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

Vance's version of it. Right, which to me is bizarre. And yet here you have this Christian administration neglecting what strikes me as the central tenets of Christianity, which are, you know, be nice to poor people, help people who are in need, the Good Samaritan, all that stuff. And this was our one expression of it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

For every $100 the federal government spent, we were saying we're going to give $1 To clothe the naked and feed the hungry.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

For every $100 the federal government spent, we were saying we're going to give $1 To clothe the naked and feed the hungry.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

I've heard people— And just to push back, USAID was audited 60 times in the last year.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

I've heard people— And just to push back, USAID was audited 60 times in the last year.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And by the way, that play was not a USAID spend. It was an American ambassador who decided to help to fund a cultural festival in Ireland. So much of this is misinformation.