Fiona Hill

I mean, it being somebody who didn't back down in the face of attempts to push him out.

He's also a small guy.

And Trump thinks in a small country, though, you know, in territorial size, Ukraine isn't a small country.

And he's somebody who has been given the wartime mantle of a Winston Churchill.

And Trump hates that.

It's just like Machado getting the Nobel Prize.

I mean, it's all just, you know, and Zelensky just hasn't backed down.

Zelensky's had the temerity to take him on, you know, on a number of occasions to push back.

He hates that.

Yeah.

I mean, look, that's a cartoon version of it.

But I mean, obviously, one would kind of say yes.

I mean, in some cases, that is the case.

But not in all cases, because there are some times when he does express admiration for

for something that somebody's done, but it doesn't necessarily directly affect him.

I think that's kind of the problem is when somebody takes something that he thinks is his, a Nobel Peace Prize, the attention of the world as a wartime president or somebody who's at the statue of Winston Churchill, you know, kind of literally, then he was soured on Churchill for a while when everyone kept calling Zelensky or comparing it to, you know, kind of Zelensky to

So I think it's, it comes into that frame in which his own personal validation is at stake.

But I think that he can admire, you know, other people because I've seen that.

I mean, he isn't a cartoon character.

He's complicated and complex.