Frances Cook

Yeah, I was going to say, is it the sort of thing where you sort of become more aware and better at dealing with it, but it doesn't necessarily go away?

Interesting, though, going back to what you were saying at the very beginning about the positive side of these things, because obviously you've also ended up in a career where you are doing a lot for people.

It's very caring.

Do you think that's linked?

Absolutely.

It's so like so much of the behavioral side of this always comes back to like awareness.

Absolutely.

I always feel that's the biggest key because people will say to me, oh, I don't know how I'm going to change it.

And I'm just like, if you just know what's going on, things start to change anyway, right?

From being aware.

Yeah.

And as you were saying before about it not necessarily going, it can still trip you up at certain points.

Because you had an issue recently, right, where you made changes to your home and it resurfaced some things.

Isn't that funny?

I feel like that's also the big power of, as you were saying before, even if it's not journaling, the writing things down.

Because when you put these fears in front of the light...

you suddenly realize that doesn't make sense or that's so overblown or that's a bit silly.

But when it's just sitting there in your mind, it can be this sort of uncontested idea that guides so much action.

And it's only when you really force yourself to speak it aloud, write it down and look at it that you're like,

Oh, that's so silly.