Francesca Rudkin

So if there's one thing we could perhaps, if we are trying to get along in this world, one thing we could try and change about the way we approach things is to assume that good faith in the first place and have them prove us wrong if that's the case, rather than assume the other.

Well, he's a delightful man, isn't he?

And so all over everything.

We can...

He described himself as a pathological optimist, but I actually think he's a realist.

And it is going to prompt me to do a bit of an audit on, A, my social media, obviously, and B, what I consume.

And I was thinking about the paper.

You know, when two people are sitting there and you've got the newspaper and you're sharing it and you're sitting at the table, it is a completely different thing than sitting there with your phone.

And you might get to the crossword.

Like, it's made me crave that paper, you know, because it's more than just

The news, people have their opinions about various things, about various... Well, the good thing is that you do a podcast for a paper, Louise, so we can pick one up as we leave.

Yeah, that's right.

And you can take that home.

Well, I also think too, though, that it is getting harder to find.

You say you have to listen to one from the right or the left.

I'd like to have some more that speak to one person who speaks to both.

Yeah, they're probably centralist left and centralist right.

So maybe this weekend I will just do a bit of an audit on that.

Also, stop worrying about what I can't control.

Yeah, definitely.