Francis Foster

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And do you think the Vietnam War has made a profound impact on how America sees wars moving forward?

Mark, doesn't it also represent what we're talking about, the scars of Vietnam and that there's a lot of people in this country who simply don't trust government because they go, you've lied to me repeatedly.

You lied to me over Vietnam.

And it's just gone right the way, weapons of mass destruction.

Why should I believe you?

Why should I believe a single word you say about Israel, Ukraine or anything else?

No, it's not.

And you know, Constance and I always talk about this, and forgive me because it might be slightly offensive to our American viewers and listeners, but you bloody love a conspiracy theory here.

You are the nation of conspiracy theories.

Whenever you sit down with somebody, it doesn't matter how smart they are, what side of the political spectrum, they all go, you know, who's really into it?

Like, how much of that really is to do with Vietnam?

Where expose after expose after expose, people lying.

I mean, that is, that government gaslit a nation.

whilst they're at war.

That's got to have an effect.

And then weapons of mass destruction again.

That has got to make a population more conspiratorial.