Francis Foster

And what's the rationale for doing this?

Because, look, on the net zero side of it, there are some people who still haven't caught up, but I regard what you're saying about net zero as completely uncontroversial.

I think it's exceedingly clear at this point that net zero is economic suicide.

And I think that's what we're seeing in our country, in other countries.

And I don't think that's controversial.

I don't think that's questionable.

I think that's just a matter of fact for anyone who's looked at it with an open mind and with anything like a rational approach.

But on the science aspect, this is where I really wanted to explore the things that you're saying, because I think this is incredibly valuable.

Why do you think...

the scientific community, or at least this is what we've been told, the scientific community has arrived at a point where the vast, we keep being told, the vast majority of scientists agree that human activity is causing climate change and it will cause it to get to a point where it's runaway climate change, which means we basically can't go back and the planet just overheats, quote unquote.

How do we get to that being the consensus view and is it the consensus view?

I just want to flesh that out.

Just sorry to interrupt.

So what you're saying is there have been times in the history of this planet when there's been hundreds of times more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than there is today.

Yes.

And at those points, it was incredibly cold.

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