Francis Foster

Tell us about that a little bit.

What was that?

Because what we also saw, and it was people stopped talking about it because of the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk.

But people kind of forget that before that, the big story was Epstein.

And it looked like the Jeffrey Epstein scandal was going to do significant damage.

to Donald Trump's presidency.

And you go, look, well, obviously the Epstein scandal is a big thing, but why this above everything else?

And to me, it was the conspiratorial element that was almost making people lose their minds.

Like they couldn't get past that.

And Nicholas, there's lots of things that are interesting about your book.

And I'm going to use colloquial English language to describe this.

But I found your theory about this fascinating.

It is the theory of the skiver and how essentially skivers, and for our American audience and listeners, that means people who shirk their responsibilities and don't work very hard.

That was one of the main problems with the kibbutz system and actually probably one of the main issues with the Soviet Union as well, wasn't it?

And that also leads to resentment as well, doesn't it?

Which also means that the harmony within the kibbutz is disrupted.

So the kibbutz went through this phase of, you know, basically this is a socialist utopia.

Everybody is going to get on great.

And what were the reasons why it started to, let's say, become, how shall I put it, more realistic in its outlook?

Was it just because of the skiver?