Francis Foster
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Yeah?
Yeah.
Do you enjoy it?
I love it.
That's wild.
Well, Jordan's idea, as I understand it, is that the point of the story, if you like, is it's about voluntary self-sacrifice.
It's about the fact that to have a good society, people have to be willing to sacrifice something of themselves for others.
And that's what Jesus is and that story is supposed to inspire in all of us.
Yeah.
Well, last time we had Richard on the show, if you remember, we kind of pushed him on this.
And as far as we could get, he was like, well, you know, maybe it's a story that's useful, but it's still not true.
And I'm going, well, if it's useful, maybe we should hang on to it for a little bit.
Do we want to throw away something that's useful because we're so fixated on literal truth when this is perhaps a metaphor?
Or something.
Perhaps.
You know?
So yeah, I've kind of moved on that.
I used to love all that new atheist stuff.
And that's borne out in the statistics as well.
However, I will say this though, right?