Frank Dobbin

making yourself slightly open to, say, federal litigation, but it's just hard to see how Department of Justice or the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission are going to get their act together quickly to, for example, go after companies that seem to have not abided by Trump's initial orders to cease all DEI activity.

As somebody who's been studying this for more than 40 years now, we've had a lot of ups and downs. And, you know, I certainly studied the ups and downs of the civil rights movement. This looks like, although I said it's a pendulum before, but this looks like much more than the pendulum swing.

As somebody who's been studying this for more than 40 years now, we've had a lot of ups and downs. And, you know, I certainly studied the ups and downs of the civil rights movement. This looks like, although I said it's a pendulum before, but this looks like much more than the pendulum swing.

As somebody who's been studying this for more than 40 years now, we've had a lot of ups and downs. And, you know, I certainly studied the ups and downs of the civil rights movement. This looks like, although I said it's a pendulum before, but this looks like much more than the pendulum swing.

It looks like an effort to really roll us back to a time before there were any protections for people of color, for women, for LGBTQ Americans, for Americans with disabilities. But I think it's important to remember that we've been here before. Ronald Reagan tried to do away with affirmative action and equal opportunity protections.

It looks like an effort to really roll us back to a time before there were any protections for people of color, for women, for LGBTQ Americans, for Americans with disabilities. But I think it's important to remember that we've been here before. Ronald Reagan tried to do away with affirmative action and equal opportunity protections.

It looks like an effort to really roll us back to a time before there were any protections for people of color, for women, for LGBTQ Americans, for Americans with disabilities. But I think it's important to remember that we've been here before. Ronald Reagan tried to do away with affirmative action and equal opportunity protections.

And his own lieutenant stopped him from doing it because, you know, in those days, Republicans as well as Democrats thought we had some work to do. And as I was saying earlier, I think— Perhaps even a bigger force in pushing America towards more equal opportunity is just the labor market because it's been so tight for seven or eight years.

And his own lieutenant stopped him from doing it because, you know, in those days, Republicans as well as Democrats thought we had some work to do. And as I was saying earlier, I think— Perhaps even a bigger force in pushing America towards more equal opportunity is just the labor market because it's been so tight for seven or eight years.

And his own lieutenant stopped him from doing it because, you know, in those days, Republicans as well as Democrats thought we had some work to do. And as I was saying earlier, I think— Perhaps even a bigger force in pushing America towards more equal opportunity is just the labor market because it's been so tight for seven or eight years.

Employers have really had to figure out how to do more with fewer people and how to upskill people, how to retain people, and how to give them the things that they need to stay around.

Employers have really had to figure out how to do more with fewer people and how to upskill people, how to retain people, and how to give them the things that they need to stay around.

Employers have really had to figure out how to do more with fewer people and how to upskill people, how to retain people, and how to give them the things that they need to stay around.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much.