Gabriel Gatehouse

And, you know, just the sort of bureaucratic pileup that would likely happen if this were to have taken place.

Oh, really?

Well, I'm very interested to hear you say that, David.

I mean, there's a thread in this whole story that I never really pulled on in the podcast because it was just sort of too tangential.

But David Atlee Phillips, does that mean anything to you?

Guatemala, yes, correct.

Gordon, yes, yes.

Ten points for you, Gordon.

He was a propagandist.

He was involved in the Guatemala coup.

He worked in Mexico City Station under Winscott, but he was kind of a loose candidate.

He had the Cuba dossier, basically.

That was basically his gig.

But in 1970, he'd done a little sideways transfer and he was chief of station in Brazil.

He was essentially one of those kind of pre-1975, pre-Church Committee rogue operators who kind of went off and freelanced a bit and understood what people were telling him with a nod and a wink and went off and made them happen.

And as somebody suggested to me, the fact that Phillips had been stationed in Mexico for a long time, but during the World Cup was chief of station in Brazil, the most likely way this might have happened, if it happened,

would have been that Phillips, head of the CIA in Brazil, was doing a favor for his counterpart, head of security intelligence in the Brazilian regime, who's coming under pressure from his boss to make sure they win the World Cup.

And over a couple of beers, they're just like, well, maybe it'd be good if you got rid of that Gordon Banks.

So look, here's where I'm at.

I mean, I really tried my best to knock this story down.