Gabriel Gatehouse

And all the Peruvian players are like, what does that mean?

What should we take?

Now, I should say that Henry Kissinger, who was a soccer fan, he was a big football fan.

He denied, he said he had no memory of ever visiting the Peruvian stadium.

That's right.

And on Operation Condor, in 1970 was the time that Salvador Allende was coming to power in Chile, and Operation Condor I think came into effect slightly after the World Cup.

I think it began in the

in the early 70s.

But certainly, there is pretty persuasive documentary evidence that, again, the National Security Archive in Washington have done great work on, which shows that the Brazilians were helping the Americans try to discredit Allende's election and try to get him removed from office before the actual coup happened in 73.

as part of this Operation Condor.

And this was a kind of quid pro quo for the Americans.

So there's this kind of

mountain of sort of circumstantial evidence that piles up around the motive, which I know you said you found the least plausible aspect of it, David, that sort of seems to suggest that actually, you know, some kind of quid pro quo is not inconceivable.

I mean, a lot of people put in objections, right?

They were like, number one, we like Britain better than we like Brazil, which is true, I think, in 1970.

Number two, one of them said to me, can you imagine the paperwork going backwards and forwards when the chief of station in Brazil writes to Langley and says, hey,

I think we should poison the England goalkeeper in Mexico.

So they then write to the chief of station in Mexico who goes, well, have you alerted London station to this?

And London station goes, hell no, don't do that.

That's ridiculous.