Garrison Davis

Like, at least if you're a... Right.

You know, you could be a cabinet maker, right?

Yeah, you install kitchens for rich people, but you know how to make things with your hands.

This guy just gets a saw that looks like it hadn't been used since the Edwardian era and stands around for photos next to a log.

Like...

In the same breath, I guess, that I condemned that, I feel like the way that we deal with the end of this is the same way that we help each other get through the middle of this and the collapse of it, right?

I've seen people do mutual aid

with such scarce resources and managed to make such amazing things, both in terms of physical objects and in terms of these beautiful things we do for each other, with so little.

And the ingenuity that's still there, it's not like people have forgotten how to exist without Timu, right?

But we just haven't created a way, a situation where we have to.

And in mutual aid spaces, I sometimes feel like,

we already have the solution to this which is to depend on and care for each other it's just that we need that to be the way we do everything not not just some stuff exactly

Yeah.

Yeah, it's a fantasy.

I was recently in a place called Chaco Canyon.

I don't know if you're familiar with Chaco Canyon at all.

But there's this idea, I think, that pre the arrival of capitalism, that's how indigenous people lived.

And it's just not.

This was a large, thriving community.

I'm interested in Chaco Canyon because I'm interested in what you're talking about, like a society which consumed at an unsustainable level and then collapsed and what came out of it.