Garrison Davis

And it's really important for you to understand their trauma in order to address the issues that actually concern them and to actually have communication with these people.

and include them in your advocacy.

And who knows, maybe you'll be able to convert some to your side too, right?

Which I think that's been one of the most critical mistakes that many people on the left have made, is that, you know, we have all these Venezuelans who, again, claim to be right-wing, and I'll get to a second why I say they claim to be.

But they claim to be right-wing.

And again, it's not just because of the Maduro and Chavez regime.

It's not just because all of the abuses committed to them were in the name of socialism, but it is also because the international left has reacted so negatively towards our cause that many Venezuelans decided to say, hey, you know what, I'm right-wing, or I'm moderate, or you know what, I love the U.S.

now because all of the people who are anti-West

are pro the regime that is killing my people.

Right.

So what's that, what that is doing is like actually pushing these people even further when you call, you know, these, uh, like Magasolanos because they are Magasolanos.

When you call them like fascist or whatever, or CIA, you're just pushing them even further, uh,

And at the end, that sucks, like, for us, because then we're going to be the ones who are going to be politically confused, and God knows that's going to lead us to some crazy places, right?

Yeah.

So I think the first thing is actually having empathy towards people and using your ability to think critically and hearing people out who maybe...

you were told not to listen to and thinking okay well i don't agree with what you're saying on the surface but i understand what your root concern is therefore i think we should talk about this and i can understand that in order to inform myself what is truly happening to these people that are making them believe these crazy things like trump has saved us right

Yeah, I think that's, like, really important to remember, that you might come across someone Venezuelan who might be advocating for, or someone from Iran, or someone from one of these other places who might be, like, advocating for intervention.

Yeah.

And, like, it's really important not to be like, okay, this person goes in the MAGA box for me.

Because, like, there are Venezuelan people who are going to go in that box, right?