Garrison Davis

And like, you know, recoiled immediately and didn't know why you had done that.

But this like tiny moment of physical intimacy that, you know, this was a person or the transgender mushroom farmer, Lisa Marie, who sought out Lydia Brimlow at church and shook her hand during the rite of peace.

Like, I would have loved to have seen that.

She sounds amazing.

I would love to meet Lisa Marie.

Well, I'll tell you about her in a second.

And I'm sure that for people who know him in a friendly way in the movement, that he's fun.

You know, he likes to drink.

Room temperature vodka.

He has that British way of just some kind of dry remark about things going to pot.

Like, you know, I'm sure it's fun for people who know him.

It's just more that I'm just talking.

Well, yeah, because he's human.

Humanizing doesn't mean excusing or, you know, coming to appreciate in any way.

It just means like he's human.

So for most of the book, the strange people on the hill are removed on the hill.

But when you encounter them, there is this very human intimacy to these encounters.

And not only that, everybody has a rough go in this book, including them.

getting raked over the coals by Letitia James.

Well, over the course of this, that, that there, if you follow their, their arc and their arcs throughout the book, but one particular arc, it starts with them really thinking they've got it.