Gary Barlow

About an hour.

He's like, should we do it?

It tastes good, I'll have that, put it in a case.

Exactly.

Yeah, totally.

Because what I wanted to bring, we've talked about this a lot.

You know, from starting a wine brand, what you're trying to do is let your audience in on what your taste is.

You know, I've been around the world.

I've been to many fantastic places.

This is my experience I'm bringing to it.

And then, so I wanted it to be my taste, very affordable and as sustainable as we could do it.

Yeah, I think for anyone who sort of diversifies into an area that isn't why people know them, I always say don't think that it's just a spin-off that they don't care about.

They're probably more serious than the normal people would be because they want it to be right and they want to do something that's good and authentic.

And, you know, the one thing I love about talking to Ollie is, and this is the reason I do the wine show, is to try and take the snobbery out of wine.

Because people are quite scared of wine.

Oh, I don't know anything about it.

Definitely.

I think that's why I never got involved, because I just thought, well, I don't know anything.

Why Venetian?

That's another area.