Gary Brecka

Or in- Sao Paulo, Brazil.

Sao Paulo, Brazil, yeah.

At first she rejected him, but he reeled her back in.

But what's even more fascinating to me is,

After you wrote New York Times bestselling book, which is right here on the table, and sold more than 20 million copies, had achieved a level of socioeconomic success, probably also personal success, you kind of arrived.

That's when you hit the burnout phase.

Yeah.

I believe that this happens to more of us than will actually admit that.

And I'm wondering if you just unpack that for my audience.

Sure.

Yeah, it's like if you had a big exit, you can't like bitch about it.

Exactly.

Didn't you just sell your company for a lot of money?

Yeah, you know, I had a tipping point in my life, and I've never really thoroughly unpacked it and examined it, but for 20 years I was a mortality expert for large life insurance companies, and we were attempting to predict mortality to the month, and it was some of the most accurate science in the world.

And at that time, like most people, I was in the pursuit of happiness.

But happiness was a destination that I was going to arrive at at some point.

And I was sort of willing to be miserable and tolerated because I had framed this sort of destination in my mind.

But realizing after 10 years, I was no closer to achieving this level of, I guess, socioeconomic success or, you know, financial freedom.

And it was all that I thought about and all that I obsessed about.

And, and yeah.