Gary Jubelin

Melton.

Yeah, which is compared to what sort of suburbs are we looking in?

Just a segue there about the father raising kids and all that.

I say it to people and I like to think this is how I learnt and I learnt from my father.

Your kids don't want their best mate to be their parent.

They want a fucking parent.

Yeah.

And I see a lot of people make the mistake and, you know, sometimes when my son was growing up and my daughter, I was jealous of the relationships other parents seemed to have with their kids because they were their best mates.

Yeah.

But I think the thing that a child needs most is a parent.

A bit of discipline.

No one gets it perfect.

So, yeah, we try all different ways.

But I just make the observation that I think it's important that kids want that restriction.

They want those things.

You don't know it at the time.

You hate the parent at the time.

But that's probably the way to go.

What attracted you to the life of crime?

Like, was it people you're hanging around with or people you looked up to?