Gary Jubelin

Where we talk karma, that might be how it kicked in with you because you went from a period of time where you're the –

You're the man.

You got the gold bling.

You got the women.

You got the money.

You've gone in the prison, but you've started using, and then you slipped down the pecking order because you became the addict, and that didn't go well for you, did it?

No, not at all.

There's an irony there, isn't there?

You've gone from the drug dealer to the drug addict.

And the way – look, everyone's got a story and there's a reason there.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, yeah, I think that's why I started off with karma.

Sometimes it comes around because I believe in karma too that, yeah, it can come back to you.

It definitely did.

Come back to bite you.

But I suppose, and we've all heard the term, the low-life junkies and the bottom dwellers.

And I say that with the respect- And I had no compassion for them, but I do now.

And that's why I'm clarifying here.

I know a lot of people, people that you wouldn't expect for whatever reason can find themselves there.

But-