Gary Jubelin

The you that was the alpha gangster in the era is now hanging out with the people that are getting fed the breadcrumbs and are just addicted.

I was one of them.

With all the horrors that come with addiction and living a life like that.

Tell us about the stabbing.

What happened there?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think this is a lesson for everyone too because when you're flying high with your running your criminal group, everyone wants to be your friend.

They can get on if they hang out with you and, yeah, you're the man to be seen with and all that.

How quickly they abandon you when things are not going well.

So it's a wake up in life, isn't it, who your friends are?

You got plenty of friends when life's going good for you.

But, uh.

There literally isn't.

Well, there's the code that people say they live by, but I can say looking from a police point of view, the amount of people that were supposedly staunch that weren't because it was self-serving to what they needed to do.

You're out for yourself, aren't you?

Well, that's what it comes down to.

But it's an eye-opener.

But you learn as life goes through, don't you?

Yeah.