Gary Lineker

The parents are pushing them or the coaches are pushing them and so many kids get put off sport and hate it.

Anyway, I think you picked out a few sports people that have made it to the very top and it's very public that we know what their parents are and they did have pushy parents.

My view is they probably made it

in spite of them, rather than because of them.

And I can't prove that.

But I know so many sports people that have been incredibly successful that have had support from their parents, but the parents haven't necessarily pushed them.

Or also, you know, someone like Messi, for example, or, you know, you could find so many examples of...

of sports people that haven't had parents that have, like, pushed them all the way.

They've probably supported them.

And I think there's a fundamental difference.

But because we know about the Williams sisters and we know about Tiger Woods, everyone uses those as an example.

I wonder if it's the same for Rory McIlroy, Scottish chef.

Clearly, Rory's parents are incredibly supportive.

But pushy?

I don't think so.

Good, yeah.

Yeah.

Is that misplaced or not?

No, we're one of the great footballing nations.

We've got, you know, the...