Gary McKinnon

And I was convinced that it was secret technology, but they knew something about that the populace at large wasn't allowed to have access to.

Yeah.

Well, I think you were onto something maybe.

In Britain at the time, we had old age pensioners pay their fuel bills and energy was a really sad story for a lot of people.

So to have something that was free.

And yeah, it was just too juicy not to have a go at finding.

Yeah, I mean, it would be hugely disruptive to establishment institutions.

You know, if, you know, our energy prices dropped from, you know, 50 bucks per kilowatt hour to like 50 cents per kilowatt hour, that would be hugely disruptive.

It just would.

I think it's a control mechanism, isn't it?

Just like water is starting to be, food has been for a while.

Yeah.

Anything that's scarce and can be accrued at the top, I think, is totally a control mechanism.

And anybody who doesn't think that, you know, having access to a critical threshold of oil has not determined American foreign policy over the last 70 years is nuts.

Like, I mean, you see it with Maduro in Venezuela and then, you know, worries about what's going on in Iran vis-a-vis that, you know, and so and like it's all it's all, you know, very, very, you know, obviously interconnected.

I mean, Desert Storm in the early 90s was basically pulled off because Saddam Hussein in overtaking Kuwait controlled the fifth of the world's oil supply.

And that was just unacceptable.

Yeah.

Yeah, and one thing about Venezuela is it wasn't just America's domestic supply.

It was what foreign powers could get.