Gary Trenner

That's two.

There's...

Yeah, I got a couple of punches.

I've got a little scar above my eye where a cut went.

The mental abuse was torture because of... For five years solid, really, I mean...

Whereas living five years solid was torture.

It was it was just every single day.

It was something else and it was progressing from The drinking was making a cut herself or whatever was making a bit in in that year and a half I don't know what happened to her when she wasn't around about she come back and she just wasn't the same She put on weight.

She was more aggressive.

She was more In your face and just didn't want to know we scared of her.

I wouldn't say scared, I was more scared for the kids.

Cos I'm not bothered what happens to me, I'm bothered what happened to my kids, and hence that's why we left.

When the knife came out that night, that was it, it was... Just explain that, because that was the final straw.

the mum and the kids together i'm not sure as happy i didn't think it was normal that i should be bringing them up it's not the way of the world i don't think a kid needs their mother as far as i'm concerned and what about that knife night that knife i think that was just the break that was the end that was it because i had two kids in bed that night and she's come around and she was steaming drunk she hadn't cut herself this night and there was no blood but she was just rambling talking sat with her back to the door like sat up with a bum on the floor and just

And when that knife come out, all I could think was the kids were in the bedroom and she's... I know she's violent and she's aggressive and she has fights and it's... Did she stab the floor with it?

Yeah, she stabbed the floor and the knife stayed in the floor and stayed there.

Yeah, yeah.

She'd only been in the house about... She used to come to me for a bit of normality, I think.

When she got to the point where she'd drunk so much and didn't know what she was doing, she'd come to my house and...

just be normal, want a bit of normality, but she was only in the house for about half an hour and the knife went back in her boot.