Gavin de Becker

Do you think that the virus was released intentionally?

I'm open to the idea – that's exactly the one, by the way, that I went to my friend Bruce Wagner and I was suffering over.

In other words, can people do this kind of stuff?

But then you learn that we dropped infected ticks on Cuba, that Lyme disease is likely the result of experimentation.

Yeah, I moved out of New York State.

I had a beautiful place there, and I moved because I got Lyme disease and my kids got it, and I just couldn't every time I go for a walk in the forest—

have to think about this tick that's on you.

It's quite serious.

And, you know, there was a giant outbreak of polio.

Certainly the biggest and most important one happened in New York.

And there, too, the Rockefeller Foundation was working on funding gain of function research on polio to make it worse.

Yeah, we've talked about this.

Nowhere on the planet Earth had there ever been another outbreak like that.

And the reason that polio, you know, was fatal to some people is because of the paralysis piece.

But as you said, the paralysis may very well be the result of insecticides and other

and other modern pathogens.

You asked me the big question, do I think it's intentional?

My easiest answer is that I can believe almost anything.

I obviously do not know the answer to that question, but I think it's intentional that they were doing gain-of-function research against the objection of many people.

including President Obama, you know, opposed it, and they offshored it to China.