Gavin de Becker

It doesn't require a click of any kind, meaning you don't have to acknowledge anything.

It can get in.

It's called a no-click exploit.

And it could do everything in your phone from 7,000 miles away that you could do holding the phone in your hand, even if it was off.

It could turn on the camera.

It could turn on the microphone.

It exists.

It's a very real thing.

made by the Israelis, and the Saudi Prince MBS had just gotten it.

And he used it on a group of dissidents around the world.

He also used it on Jeff Bezos, according to the United Nations, according to lots of things that have been public.

Our work was to, A, figure it out, figure out how it happened.

In those days, I didn't know what Pegasus 3 was.

I didn't know what this system was.

But the instrumental or perhaps useful thing for you and your audience to know is that there is absolutely no protection viable for the confidentiality of your phone if a government wants you.

And the reason I say there's no stopping it is that even when Apple puts out a new –

solution, which they do an update that breaks some particular exploit, thousands of people around the world immediately start working on the next exploit.

So if I said to you, here's a phone and we've modified it and it's great, Mr. President, here you can use this phone for your confidential conversations, in a month it won't work anymore.

And so I'm able to tell clients and friends and now you and your audience that

There are a lot of things being offered for sale that supposedly protect the confidentiality of your phone calls, for example, or your texts.