Gavin de Becker

We don't run the government.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's where we are for sure.

There was, I know you already know about Project Mockingbird,

But Project Knockingbird had hundreds of American journalists who were in some cases directly on the payroll of CIA and in other cases just had great relationships and would float ideas inside the United States.

It was shut down by the church committee, Senate committee.

But was it really shut down or did it just change its name?

Because the reality is that today, unlike in the past, all information is international.

So if you start floating information overseas that's not true, it's going to make its way to America.

And does it make sense to do this?

I remember when I was working on an investigation involving Saudi Arabia and their use of Twitter, misuse of Twitter.

Twitter ended up canceling like 5,000 of their accounts because they were fake, you know, bots.

But they were using Twitter to be able to float things so that they would become viral and become important.

This is very recent.

So was it X or Twitter?

It was Twitter, 2018, 2019.

And they would get things to trend.

And how would they do it?

Well, when Twitter shut down their bots, they had 40,000 people sitting in their houses and they would send out the message of the day like –

Jeff Bezos is the evil Jew.