Gavin de Becker

Surely he was referring to a case I'll never reveal, and I won't even acknowledge he's a client.

You don't even say he's a client.

I won't say it if you have it from some other source.

Tony said it.

I understand.

Your interrogation makes all the sense in the world, but I just don't say it.

I don't talk about clients.

There's a bunch of reasons, but most of all, just absolute confidentiality.

I know it's weird.

Apologies.

But I heard you talk about the Jeff Bezos situation.

You heard me talk about cybersecurity and the vulnerability of phones.

And the Bezos situation is a little bit different in that I was involved very publicly in it, but clearly with permission of my client and organized with my client.

Same thing as when I testify in a court case.

There's no secrecy about it.

I'm doing it.

But it doesn't mean that I'll then do it everywhere.

Yes.

Well, I'll think back to what's already been public, and it won't be – from me, it won't be anything about the client, but it will be about the Saudi Arabian government, which at that time had just obtained a –

a system called Pegasus 3, which can get into your phone remotely.