Gavin de Becker

And that, too, helped me.

Because I thought denial, denial, denial, denial, denial all around the table because every cop and every FBI agent has a story about why they are doing what they're doing, just like every doctor does, just like everybody does.

There's a reason that they're doing what they're doing that usually will be discoverable in childhood.

And when they discover it, like who do you want, for example, for a heart surgeon?

Do you want the heart surgeon whose grandfather died of a heart attack in his arms when he was 14 years old?

Or do you want the one who said heart surgery?

Oh, the earnings look really good on heart surgery.

I'll take heart surgery as my major.

You know, you want the one with a core, with a story, a personal story.

Okay.

Give me 25 minutes of silence.

This is – I guess it's somewhat of a spiritual answer, which is that I believe in – I tend to go with everything is predetermined.

Meaning, down to the smallest tree, in the smallest town, in the smallest place, that's how it was going to be.

Now, I have a scientific version of this, which is that if you're... I remember one day I was in Fiji, and I was swimming in front of my house, and the water's just four feet deep in front of my house because it's on a reef, so you can walk on it.

And then you get to the end of the reef, you get to the deep water.

And I was standing in the four-foot-deep water,

And suddenly a massive rainstorm came, just like the bop, bop, bop, you know, hitting you in the head.

And then it stopped immediately.

And immediately after that, this massive school of fish about this big just started jumping out of the water in front of me.

And it's noisy.