Gavin de Becker

So that's what the website does.

But there may be other information there that's valuable for people.

I don't know.

Thank you too.

And thanks for what you're doing.

You are one of my teachers as well.

Young man, I get to say at 71.

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Well, here's where I am.

As a criminologist, you know, I take a different approach to things.

I'm not obviously a doctor or a scientist.

thankfully.

And as a criminologist, you get a view of the world that's quite interesting.

And so I took a deep dive into pharma.

But I want to put that off for a second, because I know, you know, a lot of these CIA operations like paperclip, where we bring over people who are working on bioweapons from Japan and from Germany, and we

Don't prosecute them, and we use them to be the beginning of the U.S.

bioweapons program.

And I know you know MKUltra and Mockingbird, but do you know the one called Project Gladio?

No, I do not.

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