Gemma Spake

It's so much more nuanced than what fear mongering would have you believe.

So I thought it was time to

to do this episode, do a whole episode on this topic and like crack open the lid on this discussion.

I want to thank our researcher Libby as well for her incredible deep dive and diligence with this episode.

Before we even get started, we also get to talk about one of her papers that she published last year in this episode, which is so exciting and

that we have somebody working for us who is literally doing the research on this at the same time.

So we've got a lot in store.

Sorry, another disclaimer.

It also goes without saying, this episode is going to be simply a space for discussion and research and reflection.

It is not for passing judgment.

It is not for ending a conversation.

It is for starting a conversation.

Not everything in this episode will apply to everyone.

It may not apply to you.

And you also, you know, you don't have to agree with what we say or everything that we say in this episode if it doesn't actually match the

your lived experience or what you've been seeing.

You know, we've done a ton of research to ensure our take on this is balanced.

But of course, there are nuances that we just like simply can't capture in an hour.

So feel free to DM us with your own takes, with your stories, with your experiences.

If you feel like something is missing, you can also leave a comment if you're