Geoff Shreeves

England had played Scotland that weekend and then we met up and all the lads were congratulating us.

Mickey Thomas was with us in the squad, I think.

I remember Terry Butcher coming up and saying, well done, lad.

Brilliant.

He was in his bedroom watching it and he said, when Mickey scored, I've jumped up and I've smashed the light shade and nearly come through the floor.

He said, because we were the underdogs.

Everyone was fed up of Liverpool winning things the way they would

get to be fed up of Man United winning things after that.

So we were the underdogs that everybody wanted to see, you know, victorious on the night.

And as you say, Merce, it was like that JFK moment.

No matter who you support, everybody remembers it.

Even if you don't like football, you'll probably remember where you were because somebody's told you about it.

Oh, Arsenal have just won the league in the last seconds.

It was that kind of night.

You're talking about Steve Peters.

I've got to know Steve Peters and myself well, but

I was thinking about what you're saying there.

You probably would have loved to have met Steve Peters or maybe a sports psychologist or someone of that ilk maybe earlier on in your career.

Do you think needing to speak to a

sports psychologist was to do with your actual upbringing even before football or was it the football because I actually was very similar to you in thinking why would you need a psychologist and I actually got to a stage and the strange thing for me was I actually started seeing a sports psychologist for a couple of years but it was when I was at my best not when I was at my worst because when I was at my best I was then