George Knapp

And he had this really powerful thought.

If you go back and watch the episode for people, he had this powerful thought that the UFO presence, like Jacques Vallee has said, is engaging our imagination from a sense of self-defense of how to be, um, evolving with our technology.

And it's just such a cool, uh,

positive standpoint rather than just we need to defend ourselves ufo's been here a long time they haven't nuked the planet you know maybe there's something diabolic and sinister happening but at this point we just need to admit it like commander fravor says you know like being an alcoholic you gotta admit you got a problem until you can deal with it and ufos are the same way

Yeah, and you did that internally back then.

I think that's really important.

But also, I mean, look, you've given it for Congress, for congressional record, and I'm just really glad they're coming out.

People had asked since the hearing because your testimony was impactful.

People wanted to hear what it is that you have experienced over all these decades.

And it's different once you testify that you can just put this stuff out to the public.

So I'm excited.

I got three kind of news points to end the show, but I'm wondering, you know,

Is there anything you want to say about your exploits to Russia, bringing those documents back, smuggling those documents back?

Yeah, yeah.

No, you didn't get busted, which is good.

But, you know, we've had very serious meetings with federal agencies in controlled environments about what you brought back.

We know that within the federal government, within these intelligence agencies, that these documents are kind of like revered.

I'm not saying you were a spy, but you went over there and dealt with some stuff and brought stuff back.

So I'm just saying that...

Within the federal agencies and people we have spoken with in controlled environments, it is well understood that what you brought back is gold, that it was so important to the American understanding of what Russia knew about these UAP programs.