George Packer

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697 appearances 3 recordings 2 series first heard May 2025 last heard 6 May

George Packer’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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That is sort of a class war between the educated, less educated, urban, rural.
It's sort of a generational war.
By the way, this is what – I don't know if we're going to get to talk about it, but this is what my new novel is all about.
It is about –
Class and generational conflict, but in an allegorical story, the emergency.
So those are the three factors.
They've all played a part.
I don't know how to weigh them, but one thing I'm sure of is when Trump was elected in 2016 –
And progressives decided that he was elected because America is a white supremacist country, full stop.
That was a big mistake because it was analytically insufficient, didn't explain too many things, and it was politically stupid because it alienated people who might have been persuadable.
And it turned out that we are not a country divided into identity groups that vote according to their race or gender.
In fact, especially on race, it's become more and more fluid as the last couple of elections have shown.
Yeah.
That's a long answer, but you asked me the hard question.
And I think you're right.
And those may be two different activities that go on at the same time, running campaigns and arguing issues.
to the whole country and not to the 51% that you need in order to get elected.
And maybe not even just an argument, although that, but also a practice, a kind of
way of treating one another and talking to one another that we have to learn again, that we almost have to be put into rooms with one another in order to reacquire those habits of the heart.
Tocqueville wrote that they are not...
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