Gerald (Jerry) Butts

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96 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 8 Jul

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The Bridge with Peter Mansbridge · Moore-Butts Encore Episode - Making Tough Choices · 8 Jul 2026 podcast

And in most cases, certainly with prime minister Trudeau and premier McGinty, they were more likely to alter their point of view in a cabinet discussion than they were

now especially with premier mckinty and premier prime minister trudeau learned this i think over time but dalton was very careful not to um show his cards too openly before a contentious cabinet meeting for precisely the reason you're describing there may have been a sponsor a sponsoring minister who knew how the premier felt but

in big cases.

And I'm thinking about like the coal retirement, the green belt, uh, um, healthcare reform, all of these things that Dalton did, especially in his first term that were big changes to the way Ontario had been governed for a very long time.

They were, they were knocking down dragon mode fights in cabinet.

And I mentioned the late Jim Bradley again, because he's so on my mind, but, uh,

he was the quintessential minister in that he could passionately argue one side of an issue within cabinet.

And then you would see him in the cabinet out scrums, better argue the opposite point of view

but the one that prevailed in the room than the sponsoring minister did.

And I know some people look at that as, oh, that's just proof that politicians don't really believe in anything.

I don't.

I think it's proof that serious politicians believe in the cabinet system of government.

And once that cabinet decides something, you have the enormous privilege of being there for the debate.

It is your red letter responsibility to go out there and defend it.

Great to be here.

Thank you.

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