Gerald Butts

global multilateral rules based order crumbling like all of this stuff is really important and it has to be treated as a specific issue or set of issues in its own right but let's remember who we are here and where we get into difficulty is when we start shooting at each other as Canadians and I think he's trying

his level best to keep that from happening.

He's asking liberals to take water in their wine on a bunch of different fronts to welcome people into the party who probably wouldn't have felt welcome in the party a couple of years ago.

And he sees all of that as in service of a broader national cause.

And I know that sounds really obvious and straightforward, but it's amazing how little

at least of the coverage I've seen, how little is focused on that topic.

And that of course will create problems.

There will be disagreements over time.

fade uh i don't think they will personally uh because i have for reasons we've discussed at length in the past i think these problems are structural they're not idiosyncratic um but mark carney has taken a really careful uh you know careful calibrated sounding of what kind of leadership he thinks the country needs at this moment and he's

determined to give it to the country so I you know I for one obviously I'm excited as a liberal and as someone who admires the prime minister a great deal but I'm kind of excited for the country because I think the possibilities are really broad now and I hope that people who don't traditionally identify as supporters of the liberal party or haven't voted liberal in the past

And I suspect they are given where he's standing in the polls or looking at the prime minister saying, well, this is a really interesting moment and what can I do for the country?

I think you go as far as necessary, right?

And I think you go as far as you think is going to be in the public interest.

I think the challenge with this, and I said very nice things, and I did get the predicted hate mail last week for saying a bunch of nice things about Pierre Polyev on this podcast.

But I'll say, you know, you alluded to earlier, Peter, this newer kind of kinder, gentler Pierre Polyev.

I think he's disappeared already.

I've seen his last couple of press conferences where he stops just short of calling the Prime Minister corrupt and the Liberal Party of Canada criminal operation.

And I think that he's having trouble.

staying in the zone where he knows he needs to be in order to be successful, which we talked about when he attempted that pivot.

My joke to Jody was that it's like we're watching Pierre Polyev's eras tour every day, that he's suddenly gone back to his old album very quickly.