Gerald Butts

right?

They all thought that they were going to be in a very competitive job market, many of them with each other.

And they thought their political careers were over because whatever they say in front of the microphones, these people are not stupid people.

And by definition, they understand what's going on in their communities.

And they would have spent a lot of time knocking on doors and having pretty frosty receptions.

So they knew what they were in for.

And then they had this almost miraculous reprieve where they find themselves

It's a joke for people of a certain age, but it's like the Bobby Ewing shower scene in Dallas.

You know, it's like we're going to pretend none of all of that stuff ever happened.

And the liberals are back in a majority government.

And I think the fact that they've been there for a decade, they will have developed habits and muscle memory that.

that are very difficult to break.

And that includes relationships with reporters.

It includes a manner of speaking about and to one another.

And it's true that it's a moment for the prime minister to be careful of, but I would argue it's also maybe even more so a moment for this particular liberal caucus to be careful of.

Because you do not want to end up in a situation where nobody feels they can speak their mind in caucus because they're going to read about it in the Globe and Mail or the Toronto Star.

Well, I'll give you a slightly longer answer, Peter.

And having been in a lot of meetings.

I've been in a lot of meetings with Mark Carney.

And I've never heard him yell at anybody.