Gerald Casale

It was like dumb.

Here you go.

It's like, yeah, I'm that dumb.

Well, that's the most control you have, right?

Okay, go.

You just said truth.

No, for a long time, it was real.

We could do it.

I don't think it'd be different enough.

I mean, Brian had moved on from the guy that we loved in Roxy Music with the, you know, the boas and the makeup.

And he had become this English gentleman that was totally Zen now.

He was into Zen.

He had created the bleak strategies and he'd make us actually...

Take the cards in the studio?

Well, because we were Dada and we were, you know.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, we were disrespectful of everything on some level.

Mm-hmm.

old league strategies because he looked at it and he was just totally glum and he didn't really like and i just felt like he felt attacked he felt disrespected and i felt like i wish i wouldn't have done that and it was unfortunate because we loved the guy we really liked him uh it's just that he had moved on and he's trying to add beauty to our sound when we were stridently industrial stuff in it though

And we included those things.