Gerald (Jerry) Butts
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396 appearances
3 recordings
1 series
first heard Jul 2026
last heard 5 Aug
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Well, I think it's important to start, Peter, by indicating just, you know, kind of seconding what you just said.
It's always been hard.
Right.
When you told me you wanted us to talk about this topic this week, I spent a little time going through old notes from my personal experience on these.
over the years, but also, more importantly, going through the history of them writ large.
And, of course, very few of your listeners will have the personal experience to remember this.
One of the biggest, most contentious debates in the history of the Canadian Parliament, which featured the end of C.D.
Howe's career, the collapse of eventually the Saint-Laurent government and the replacement of it with the Diefenbaker government.
Even an MP died in the middle of the debate was the original debate.
TransCanada pipeline, right?
It was at that point probably the most fiery, the fieriest, there's a difficult word to say 10 times fast, and most contentious, fractious debate that we've ever had.
And I think the reason for that and the reason they remain so to this day is
is it's very difficult to extract a resource in one place, transport it across a bunch of different jurisdictions, all of whom will argue whether the benefits of that transport outweigh the cost, and then have it exit finally
considerations about whether, in the case of the 1956 debate, whether Toronto and Montreal were getting a fair price for Alberta gas.
In that case, by the way, British Columbia was up in arms because
It was clear that the federal parliament didn't care about what was west of Alberta.
It only cared about what was east of Alberta, and they wanted a pipeline.
So these issues change, I think, in their specific application over time.
But the general problem is it's really difficult to dig stuff up in one place, transport it through a bunch of other places, and then see its benefit in yet a third.
No, but sovereignty issues sure were.
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