Gerry Thornley

And he looks a really good signing.

Whereas that's a damaging day for Harry Byrne.

And it's been a damaging campaign for Sam Prendergast.

Joe McCarthy playing well, J.R., Jack Conan a warrior for Leinster Rugby, Josh van der Vleer a warrior for Leinster Rugby.

Yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe.

They certainly have enough of more power off the bench as well throughout the 23 and they've good players not making the 23.

They've big squads, they rotate them well.

Budgets wouldn't be an estimate bigger than Leinster's.

Porto Begla's salary cap is 12 and a half million.

Leinster wouldn't be, I'd love to know exactly.

I wish somebody in the RFU in Leinster wouldn't just tell me, honestly, between RFU contributions and your own money, how much is the Leinster playing budget?

8, 9, 10 million, something like that.

I wouldn't say it's that far away from Bordeaux-Beglow, maybe closer.

They've tried so much now.

They've tried the Nina Barrett defensive system.

They've tried signing Jordi Barrett last season and Rico Ioane this season and Audrey Snyman.

They've made good signings.

They've got the best conveyor belt of talent, although you worry, is it just...

shuddering to not to a halt but not moving not as productive as has been of late that you're right the Leinster model demands that Dermot Mangan or James Culhane or some of these young players come through in the next year or two I think they will I think look we've seen Paddy McCarthy he actually well left left the game today in crutches and he's had a horrific injury look this season but I go back to my point at the beginning the gap has never seen bigger in my humble opinion

We've never had six French winners in a row.