Ginni Rometty

And therefore you're like, okay, like why I feel so strong about skills.

Hey, if I'm going to bring in, it's going to create all these new jobs, job dislocation,

then I should help.

I'm trying to help people get new skills.

Anyways, that's a long answer to a good tech, but the idea that there's kind of, in retrospect, a set of principles you could look at and maybe learn something from my sort of rocky road through there.

The ultimate good power is actually doing something for society.

That would be my ultimate definition of good power, by the way.

Yeah.

But how it's done, right?

The how it's done.

And so, you know, when you said a leap, do you think people make a leap when they go from thinking about themselves to others?

Do you think it's a leap or do you think it kind of just is a sort of slow point?

Yeah, because sometimes I think it happens a little, it's maybe not as deliberate.

Yeah, it's a little bit more gradual because it might happen because you realize that, geez, I can't get this done alone.

So I got to have other people with me.

Well, how do I get them to help me do something?

So I think it does happen a little bit more gradually.

And as you get more confident, you start to not think so much that it's about you.

And you start to think about this other thing you're trying to accomplish.

And so that's why I felt it was a little more