Glenn Greenwald

dying of embarrassment.

And he interrupted like, Caetano, I'm a huge fan.

His name was Caetano Velozo, like the most famous musician in all of Brazil, kind of like the Michael Jackson or Bob Dylan.

I was like, what do you do?

Do you like, do you work?

Yeah, it was horrible.

Anyway, I think, you know, one of the things I think is interesting about this case is that

A lot of American families suffer from addiction.

It used to be a lot more stigmatized than it was in the sense that people really thought it was like a moral failing.

And here you see, you know, the son of an extremely famous wealthy person who by all accounts was like a very dedicated father and his wife, a very dedicated mother doing everything they could

for this kid and then even into adulthood to save him in some way from addiction.

And as so many American families have experienced, like sometimes that demon is the hardest one to battle.

I think it's a good reminder that it cuts across all socioeconomic lines.

And then I also think there's this sort of interesting aspect.

You know, if you're poor and you're trying to raise kids, that's very difficult.

But sometimes if you're very rich and your kid is born into great wealth, that also can be very difficult because they might not have motivation.

They might, you know, feel like too heavy of an expectation.

I think there's a lot of things in this story kind of like as a morality play that Americans can learn from.

And especially when it comes to addiction because of what a pervasive problem it is for families across the country.

I think every time there's a story that involves addiction, it can be important to kind of break down the stigma and create some empathy for families who, you know, might feel like it's their fault, but in reality, it's something that, you know, infects so many parts of society.