Glenn Greenwald

Who actually bears most of the blame in that situation?

Like to me, it has always seemed like the person in the marriage who has promised the fidelity is the one who bears most of the blame and not the woman who doesn't have a similar commitment.

And then, you know, we also have people- I don't disagree with that.

Right.

And a lot of times we don't know what's taking place in other people's marriages.

I mean, the fact that they are still together might signify that for whatever reason, she, the wife, didn't react in the way that other people reacted on her behalf.

That...

Right.

She was probably embarrassed.

Yeah.

And, and, and it was a very embarrassing situation.

Like I don't blame her for wanting to distance herself, but the fact that she's still with him, who knows why.

And then finally, like we have a lot of people in very exactly.

Probably that's one of the reasons.

But then they're also like, there are people in very high political positions that we elect and that we let lead us these days who 40 years ago would never have been even remotely conceivably possible.

Gary Hart got driven out of the 1988 race when he was discovered having an affair with Donna Rice, probably for anyone younger than us that's old, that's things they've never heard of.

And yet, you fast forward it and you have people like

Bill Clinton, who gets reelected, and Donald Trump, who has had his own very public adulteries and affairs and overlapping sorts of things.

Totally.

This makes me start to wonder, like, why are we so obsessed with that couple and shaming them when the mores have clearly changed around the people who have a lot more power and influence than they do?