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Gordon Carrera

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The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And I think that's what, when you look at the parallels for this, as I said, there are parallels in terms of things like Guatemala and Chile, but they tended to be quite covert.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

I mean, the only one that kind of sits a bit closer is Panama when they went after Noriega in 1989.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And I mean, this is a really interesting story because on one level, it does look quite similar, doesn't it?

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Because you've got an operation to go after General Noriega, who is then running Panama, and to remove him and bring him to a U.S.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

court.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

But it's also got some differences.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

I mean, I hadn't realised that Noriega had been a CIA asset, David, at one point and been used by the US to kind of go after leftist groups and then decides he's going to get big in the drug trade and kind of take over the country.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And then they, it's different to some extent because Panama is obviously much smaller as a country and they have a US military base there because of the Panama Canal.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And so in some ways it's easier to do, but it's still a pretty violent operation, which takes a few weeks, claims, I think, 26 American lives, a few hundred Panamanians dead.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And then eventually Noriega flees.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

to I think it's the Vatican embassy, the Vatican mission in Panama where he's holed up for days and they play rock music loudly at him over speakers to try and get him out.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

If you go on Spotify, you can actually find the Spotify playlist

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

for the tunes that they played.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Someone has put it together.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And it's great because they've got some... They've got Welcome to the Jungle by Guns N' Roses.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

They've got Panama by Van Halen.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Very, very apt.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

I think All I Want Is You by U2.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

So I think whoever was doing... And I think it was someone in Southern Command for the US military.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Whoever was doing the playlist was clearly trying to find funny song titles, which they could also blare loudly at Noriega, who it turns out was an opera lover and hated...