Gordon Carrera

Now, some of it is so sensitive it's written up on a manual typewriter with orders that it's not entered into the main database.

And there's just a kind of flood of intelligence.

So the operation investigating him, Operation Canova, recovers 377 intelligence reports over an 18-month period at the start of his career.

In one 11-day period, it's recorded that he contacted his handlers by phone on two occasions and was met on a further four occasions.

So that's six contacts in an 11-day period.

So it's a pretty intense relationship.

And some of these intelligence, I mean, it sounds like it's pretty mundane.

It's like, well, I saw this guy on the street, or I saw these people drinking in this pub, or I heard a little bit of this conversation here.

But some of it is really, really, really detailed intelligence reports.

But we don't know the exact nature of a lot of it.

Yeah, it is.

It is right.

And that might be something we come back to at the end because, you know, there are kind of legal questions around all of this.

And I think that issue of how he's handled is interesting because, again, when there's this Canova report and this investigation into it, there's people from MI5 who said that the frue handlers were seen by MI5 as gung-ho.

and not well managed with relatively little meaningful oversight.

This is part of a kind of battle, if you like, because then the FRU are like, no, no, no, MI5 knew everything we were doing.

And MI5 are like, no, no, no, we didn't.

There's a lot of that.

And you can sense some of the tension.

So again, from some of these official reports,