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Gordon Carrera

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The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Yeah.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

I mean, you start bombing drug factories in Mexico.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

You put pressure on the Colombian leader.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

You try and squeeze Cuba.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

It doesn't sound like they want to invade Cuba, but they hope they can kind of... It's a weak enough regime.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

They can kind of push it over and collapse.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

You have this kind of attempt to use coercive diplomacy effectively against these countries to say, you know...

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

do what we want or else, which works so long as Venezuela doesn't unravel or things don't go wrong to some extent, doesn't it?

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And I mean, before anyone points it out, the Brits may have known a thing or two about gumbo diplomacy as well, as the Chinese may tell us over the opium wars.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

and various other things.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

But if we go back to the kind of present day, I mean, you'd be worried if you're Greenland.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And you could see the last day or two, Denmark has been suddenly realised, well, actually, when Donald Trump has said, we're going to get Greenland one way or another, and he talks about Greenland is covered with Russian and Chinese ships all over the place, you can see that now, suddenly, if you're the Danes, you're thinking, he may be serious about this.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Now, I'm not convinced they're going to invade Greenland,

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

I mean, they've already got a military base up there at Pitterfick, at Thule, which, as we talked about in the previous series, I visited many years ago.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And so it may be more about kind of increasing the reach of American power on Greenland rather than actually taking it over.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

But clearly, suddenly that looks much more real than it did before, I think.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Yeah, but the Danish leader has basically said hands off.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And even Keir Starmer, who spends, you know, Prime Minister, who has to walk a very careful line when it comes to kind of

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

relationships with the US has basically said, I agree with the Danes, I stand with them and their view on the future of Greenland.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

So you can sense there the worries that are growing.