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Gordon Carrera

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

You're relating that to the fact we have seen these deaths of security forces, you're suggesting.

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

there are armed elements going up against.

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

I mean, there's talk that in certain parts of the country, there's kind of, you know, minority groups or others who might have become more violent.

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

So yeah, I take your point.

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

That's a kind of slight unknown, but it's a potential parallel, isn't it?

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

Yeah.

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

But I mean, there are significant differences, aren't there?

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

I mean, you had the Alawite minority in rule, in power in Syria, who kind of facing a kind of Islamist opposition in that case, and fearing being wiped out by them.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

Iran is a kind of a complex country with a lot of minorities, but some of those dynamics are fundamentally different, I think we should point out, shouldn't we?

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

And that the Syrian opposition was a

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

a mix, but there were parts of it which were quite heavily Islamist, as we know from Ahmad al-Shara, who's now in power.

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

He'd come through that kind of world and been linked to some of those groups, whereas the Iranian opposition feels very different, but also quite diverse and dispersed in that sense.

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

It's inevitable and it's going to be soon.

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

Yeah.

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

And it's very interesting, the Libyan example, because I remember it well, that Gaddafi was in power, he'd faced these protests, and then he was sending his security forces to Benghazi.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

And the assumption, and from the language of the Gaddafi regime, was there was going to be a massacre there.

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

They were just going to massacre the protesters and civilians.

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

And so at that point, the US, UK, France intervene with air power and basically bomb some of Gaddafi's troops and start off a process which does lead to the fall of Gaddafi.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

But interestingly enough, they don't want to put the boots on the ground.

The Rest Is Classified
119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

They just want to do this air power side of things and then effectively let a civil war play out.