Gordon Carrera

And they talk about MI5 reclassifying material to prevent it being processed and delaying release, even giving former lawyers representing former security personnel greater access to the MI files than the Canova investigators.

Pretty wild.

It reminds me a little bit, actually, that bit about when you had the Senate Select Committee investigating the CIA over the, you know, enhanced interrogation.

You know, there was...

Same kind of battle, wasn't it, about which files and what would they know about the treatment of detainees in the war on terror?

Similar, isn't it?

I mean, different cases, but the same kind of tension over an investigation and what gets revealed.

Yeah.

By then it's led by Sir Ian Livingstone.

He reveals that he would have completed the report much earlier if MI5 had not discovered fresh material in the spring of 2024.

That's eight years after the inquiry started.

The key battle with MI5, the friction, is about how much MI5 knew about steak knife.

We should probably

reference here that Eliza Manning and Buller, the head of MI5, appeared on our The Rest Is Politics leading podcast with Rory and Alistair and said that she and MI5 hadn't known much about the case and would have rejected it at the start.

And then later on, these files emerge and MI5 and Eliza Manning and Buller said they didn't know about some of this material because it all related to the 70s until it was later found.

And there is an investigation

into whether MI5 had deliberately hid the material and the investigation found they hadn't, they had just found it.

But it does relate to this ongoing tension, which was what did MI5 know about steak knife?

And the new information does show that they knew about steak knife from the start.

But I think the other thing that's going on, and you talked about it being recent politics, is the timeline is important because this new material comes out April 2024.