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Gordon Carrera

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

There's new legislation which comes in, there's the Legacy Act 2023, which is looking at giving a partial amnesty for those involved in the troubles.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

And this is one of the big questions, which is should people be prosecuted?

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

So you're not talking about Stakenife himself, we'll come to him in a second, but should those officers who handled him be prosecuted for their role?

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

And one of the frustrations will be that by the time Canova finally reports, even though it finds that there is evidence of a case to answer against some former Fru officers,

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

you know, the decision is it's too late to be able to prosecute them.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

And that, you know, that tension is there in the inquiry and the timelines.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

And I think crucially, we should get back to Scappaticci himself, because by the time that final report comes out, Scappaticci himself is dead.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

Yeah.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

I mean, Henry Hemming in his book, you know, writes about Scappaticci became increasingly lonely.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

He'd spend long hours at home on his Lenovo laptop looking at websites devoted to cars, porn, we'll come back to that, maps, combat politics, football, all the British army.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

After 2016, this is an interesting fact, he would also visit the website of Operation Canova, the police investigation into him and his activities, because he knows one day they might come for him.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

Now, his father dies only in 2017, buried supposedly with an Italian flag on the coffin.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

Scapp supposedly turns up for that, but when Scappaticci's wife, Sheila, dies, it's said that he doesn't turn up for that and the children don't want him there.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

But the crucial thing is he's watching that Canova inquiry, and they are going for him, and they want to get him.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

This is a fascinating bit of the case.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

They arrest him in January 2018, so the Canova team.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

He says nothing when he's questioned about the Canova cases.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

But they get that laptop from his sitting room.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

I mean, this is where, again, if it couldn't get weirder, the laptop is found to contain 329 images of extreme pornography spread.

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specifically bestiality, which for those who are not aware, sorry for anyone here of a sensitive disposition, warning, sex with animals.