Gordon Carrera

I think we both offered our view that that theory doesn't hold

a lot of water and there's a lot of reasons to look at the risk reward calculation that a foreign intelligence service would have to do when evaluating him and kind of saying, this doesn't make a lot of sense, put aside also the fact that there aren't any facts to back it up.

But we left, Gordon, with me reading some messages from former CIA officers who were asked this question of, if you put the criminality aside,

Which is.

Which is.

If you put the criminality aside, is he an interesting target for an intelligence agency?

And I think this time we're going to go deeper to evaluate, you know, how he could have been valuable to an intelligence service.

And more importantly, whether there's any evidence that he actually did work with or for an intelligence service.

Accomplice.

I mean, criminal accomplice.

I'm in the wrong genre, Gordon.

Scientific publishing, David.

Who would have thought?

Scientific publishing is where the cash is.

You know, it's one of the things that happens.

So what is Robert Maxwell's connection then to kind of his Jewish heritage?

That's the part of this that it's worth stressing it because when we hear somebody's a spy, you immediately think of some kind of formal relationship in which there's a handling officer, there's tasking, there's money changing hands.

The picture that...

Preston at least paints in the biography, is that if Maxwell came upon something that he thought would be useful to the Israelis, he would pass it along, right?

Not that he was a recruited and handled agent.