Gordon Carrera

You also get a lot of people from the Nazi elite, including Goebbels, who kind of turn up at this place.

And it allows the people running the operation to find out what they really...

think, and there's even claims that this was from the guy running it, that it provided valuable information about Spain, for instance, which had a real impact.

It was slightly unclear how big an impact it had, and it only lasted a few years at the early part of the war.

Though it does seem to have continued after the war, and Kitty herself kept her secrets, taking them to her grave.

But it's an interesting example of what you can do

with a premises used in this way as a kind of glamorous location for the elite to come into and for it to be wired.

But it was more about eliciting information through conversation than it was through compromise in the sense of video and audio blackmail, which I think is the allegation with Jeffrey Epstein.

We do know that these kinds of operations are things that intelligence agencies

have done in the past.

There are other places where they've wired premises.

I remember visiting Hotel Viru in Tallinn in Estonia.

It's really interesting.

You can go there now and if you ask nicely at the hotel, they'll take you up to the top floor for a tour.

This was the tourist hotel during the days of the Soviet Union where any visiting foreigners would be taken.

And when the KGB left Estonia in a hurry, they basically left all their kits behind.

So if you go to the top floor of the hotel, you can see the way in which they'd wired the top floor of the hotel with audio and video equipment and with bugging devices all over, again, to collect information, including compromising information from people who were in it.

So there's definitely this precedent here for intelligence agencies to run this kind of operation.

Yeah, I think there's some similarities and some differences.

I mean, I think one of the similarities is it does look like Jeffrey Epstein's place was wired.