Gordon Carrera

for audio and video in a modern way compared to Solon Kitting.

A lot of that comes from a testimony of a victim, Maria Farmer, who spoke to CBS in 2019, who says she was assaulted by Epstein in the mid-1990s.

She was also, she says, given a tour of this house.

And, you know, she says Epstein told her it contained hidden pinhole cameras and that was what he called a media room, which was stacked full of TV monitors with feeds from across the house, including bedrooms and bathrooms.

Maria Farmer says she was told by Epstein that everything was recorded.

She said at one point to him, what do you do with this?

And he said, I keep it.

I keep everything in my safe.

Now, we don't actually know what happened to any of those recordings.

I mean, the FBI has seized multiple computers and hard drives and other media from Epstein's property, but it's not really clear what might have happened to any of that kind of material.

That's the bit which, if you like, feels similar, the kind of collection of compromat by someone that

We talked about some of the rich and powerful people who'd have gone through these properties.

The kind of gossip he'd got off people, let alone the potentially blackmailable material, would have been extraordinary.

It does explain things, but I think one of the differences, as we said, is that in this case, the women were young women and were victims.

This was not a brothel.

This was a place in which

underage girls were being abused and certainly did not have any kind of role in it in the way that the Salon Kitty story talks about and who suffered some, as we said, pretty awful things.

So there's a parallel there, but it's not quite exact, is it?

Yeah.

I mean, we'll come back, I think, a bit more maybe in the next episode to some of the reasons why there were these claims about Mossad.