Gordon Carrera

But I think the risk-reward calculus is a really interesting one when it comes to this operation.

Because, I mean, yes, Israel has once or twice, hasn't it, has spied on the U.S., you know, Jonathan Pollard and places like that.

Yeah.

Who was a kind of U.S., I think, you know, naval officer, wasn't he, in intelligence.

passed quite useful intelligence to the Israelis and it's become a big cause celebre, but actually got a lot of fallout from that one very narrow case.

But if you imagine doing an operation like this effectively against the US with someone that high profile and with that much risk of exposure, that is a real stretch.

Even before you get into the morality

as you said, of using underage girls and what's involved in it.

So yeah, I think that's where the leap comes with that.

I mean, to me, the fact that he's wired these premises, it's plausible Jeffrey Epstein was doing it for his own weird pleasure.

Of his property.

Exactly.

So he can be doing it for his own pleasure.

I mean, you could also buy the idea, or I could plausibly put out the idea, he was doing it.

to collect Compromat for himself.

Maybe not Compromat, but influence, leverage over these people for his own benefit and for his own protection, which is different from doing it for another state.

He's almost in that world running almost a small private Compromat stroke intelligence gathering operation himself.

And that I find more plausible than doing it on behalf of an operation from another state.

Rather than just collecting gossip, rather than the salon kitty model.

It might make sense at this point just to step back and think about how would a spy service look at Epstein?